The clarity of his analysis, strength and breadth of his scholarship, and deep thought is evidence of a sebayi. Having witnessed Ahati Kilindi demonstrate his martial skill, it is clear that his is an applied science as well, much more than a talking head academic. While some stories that he shares seem improbable, as he notes, he has done the things that modern science says are impossible. As you listen to the interview, listen for the deep traditions of the African way. His is not the colonial Africa, but the villages where the power and vitality of the immortal, ancestral African traditions live. We give thanks for the gracious interview provided by Ahati Kilindi and Jared Ball for providing the recording equipment. This is but one of the latest in a series of interviews on the Psychology of the African Warrior project conducted by Esi Ramu and Dr. Darlene DeFour since 2007.